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The Community Marketer

by Stuart Foster on July 1, 2009

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Updated 7/2/09: Felt this article was incomplete and needed more information and explanation. Also...far to many generalizations.

The Groundswell phenomenon has been well documented since 2005. However, a lot of confusion still exists between the exact roles that Community Managers and Marketers should occupy within social media.

Marketers tend to be metrics focused and feel the need to broadcast their message more then engage. They've had control over the message up until now and are wary of losing control.

Community Managers operate their communities with the knowledge that they are essentially organizing general chaos. Loss of control is an assumption, not a surprise.

How can we utilize the strengths of both positions? Hire a "community marketer" or rapidly cross train both parties to be more effective in each other's discipline.

Community Marketer traits/talents to keep in mind:

1. Communities are only communities unless they are leveraged. Community marketers will be able to mobilize the community and drive them toward a specific goal or task that will have clear measurables for the product or company they are representing.

2. You can't leverage a community if you don't have one. Community marketers MUST be able to negotiate the tricky water between customer and company. In essence, you are worthless without street cred.

3. Extend your reach and manpower. Cross training opportunities abound here. Marketers can teach community managers how to effectively market and vice versa. Through this you could potentially triple or quadruple your social media team.

4. Flexibility in either direction. Sometimes you have wins for your community and other times you get a win for marketing. Understanding that you are going to win and lose from both angles is essential to formulating your solutions.

5. A perfect training tool already exists for this: Social Bookmarking. Through exploration of Digg, Reddit and Stumbleupon you can learn community with a distinct eye for marketing and break down the various demographics that inhabit the web. It's a trial by fire...but one worth taking.

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We should grab coffee or something considering you are in Boston. I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the blend of community and marketing. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and am still feeling my way through these thoughts.

Thanks for commenting Vanessa.

Don' t think I ended up agreeing with the generalization myself. Upon reading this blog post this morning...I realized an important thing: It kind of sucked. So I decided to rewrite it and focus on more clearly defining my views on what a community marketer is.

Not sure I agree with the generalization. As stated in earlier posts, it's the best marketers who've embraced community and learned to engage/mobilize/leverage. On the other hand, I've met fewer than a dozen community managers who have ever built a brand or real business for a company. I do, however, agree that the best and only successful marketers of the future will be those who get both and how they should work together.

We should grab coffee or something considering you are in Boston. I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the blend of community and marketing. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and am still feeling my way through these thoughts.

Thanks for commenting Vanessa.

Don' t think I ended up agreeing with the generalization myself. Upon reading this blog post this morning...I realized an important thing: It kind of sucked. So I decided to rewrite it and focus on more clearly defining my views on what a community marketer is.

We should grab coffee or something considering you are in Boston. I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the blend of community and marketing. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and am still feeling my way through these thoughts.

Thanks for commenting Vanessa.

Don' t think I ended up agreeing with the generalization myself. Upon reading this blog post this morning...I realized an important thing: It kind of sucked. So I decided to rewrite it and focus on more clearly defining my views on what a community marketer is.

Not sure I agree with the generalization. As stated in earlier posts, it's the best marketers who've embraced community and learned to engage/mobilize/leverage. On the other hand, I've met fewer than a dozen community managers who have ever built a brand or real business for a company. I do, however, agree that the best and only successful marketers of the future will be those who get both and how they should work together.

We should grab coffee or something considering you are in Boston. I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the blend of community and marketing. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and am still feeling my way through these thoughts.

Thanks for commenting Vanessa.

Don' t think I ended up agreeing with the generalization myself. Upon reading this blog post this morning...I realized an important thing: It kind of sucked. So I decided to rewrite it and focus on more clearly defining my views on what a community marketer is.

Not sure I agree with the generalization. As stated in earlier posts, it's the best marketers who've embraced community and learned to engage/mobilize/leverage. On the other hand, I've met fewer than a dozen community managers who have ever built a brand or real business for a company. I do, however, agree that the best and only successful marketers of the future will be those who get both and how they should work together.

Per my tweet, I know what it is. I know why I couldn't decide if I agreed or disagreed.

It's this line: "Community Managers tend to focus on making everyone happy and not adhering to any sort of business sense or practice."

I don't think it's true - and I don't only mean for the exceptions.

I think business sense and practice is critical to developing a coherent, effective and successful community strategy. Community Management isn't just some ambiguous, go-with-the-flow role. It's full of data gathering, analyzing, policy making, strategic planning and communicating - and that probably doesn't even cover half of it. It's much more analytical, tactical and intentional. It's not just warm and fuzzy.

Though I do agree, while I don't think I'm the exception in any way shape or form, there is a need for cross training, and a level of business savvy. Community Managers need to understand not only objectives on a brand level, but how it ties into the company strategy as a whole.

This was not intended as rant, though walked a fine line. Could definitely chat about this more, let me know. I'm always up for a good discussion and/or debate.

Be well,
Vanessa